Will: But Brian finds a true ally in Kathy. She has her own theories on why photos of military servicemen and women are so appealing to someone looking for a romantic connection.
 Kathy: They feel like they owe them, you know, because the, the military men and women go out and they put their lives on the line for us, and there's nothing more than what American, good Americans want to do is help a soldier out, and that is a big part of this, and who, what soldier would lie to them?
Because they, they don't realize that it's some other person behind the pictures.
 Will: Kathy and Brian start keeping a record of everything, every account they close down, every new one that pops up, and eventually they decide it's time to take all of it to a Congressional Committee and take it to Facebook to report what they found.
 Brian Denny: I completely credit her for, you know, the, the meetings with Facebook, um, meetings on the Hill. Kathy's just been tremendous uh, in, in terms of uh, you know, getting this going and getting it the attention I think it, it ought to receive. So yeah, Kathy's been phenomenal.
 Will: They send an initial report to Facebook and then another, and then two more quarterly reports with extensive details of their investigation.
 Kathy: I made sure that every report that we did, we sent off to Mark Zuckerberg and Cheryl Sandberg. I had a signed, a return receipt back from their office, um, and then I also sent it to all of the Board of Directors as well as the team that we work with, um, in Facebook. Now I may get the signed receipts from them, but are they laying their eyes on it? I don't know.
 Will: But you are sitting down with some people from Facebook it sounds like, too. Maybe not Zuckerberg and Sandberg, but others.
 Will: They're hoping they can start to move the needle, just two people working with a multi-billion dollar social media company, but they do have their ear. The fight has given Kathy insight into a world she didn't know existed, and she's determined to keep fighting to expose the extent of these scams.
And Brian fought for his country for 26 years
 Kathy: I realized how many people needed help, and how many I could educate, and so um, I just really took to it. I, I couldn't believe to hear the stories, um, women commit suicide, and men, commit suicide over stuff like this. Um, it was just, it was appalling to me, and so if I can provide as much ed--, education and as much advocacy that we can, and if Brian and I can get in there and change a law that can help prevent some of the scamming that's online, um, I, I couldn't think of a better thing to do. He retired and fell into this right away, and so um, it's, it's a form of helping out the military too. Um, there's a lot of other victims out there, but um, to see their names, their children, their families, um, up there online trying to um, and, and used in vain, uh yeah, that's, that's why I stick with this.
It's, it's, there's a level of indifference or uh, ignorance in terms of the magnitude of people that this affects on a daily basis
 Brian Denny: It is, it is satisfying, uh, that they get called to talk about what is going--, what's going on, but again, there's a lot of talk and I, you know, the first time I saw that, I'm like, you know, I don't know that they're even aware uh, that, that this is a real thing, that this has happens to real people. Um, they're so far detached from the problem set.